Founded DARPA, funded Metal Gear project.

Pissed off Ocelot for choosing Zero over Big Boss.

"made the patriot AIs"

I don't consider 3 and 4 part of 2's canon by the way. because 2 was actually interesting.

>>17292718

>>17292632
/thread

>>17292632

In 3, Signit seemed the most interested in the Metal Gear thing. The whole projects are his fault.

Fuck you faggots.

Zero was never evil. The Patriots AI went haywire, that wasn't his fault. Before that, he was doing GOOD. And what's with everyone thinking Para-medic became some sort of psycho bitch? Because she saved someone's life?

he created the AIs, they even allude in PO how they'll have control over Big Boss after Zanzibar

sigint is a bro, man

>>17292868
Patriot propaganda at it's finest

Tortured to death? WHAT?

FUCK I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GET A PSP FOR THIS SHIT. I'M MISSING IMPORTANT STORY SHIT.

THE AI's went crazy
Zero wasn't bad
Neither was paramedic

big boss was just a whiney faget

>>17292584
>So what did my nigga Sigint do that was so terrible that he needed to be tortured to death?

Be black

>>17292940
watch your mouth hank

Para-Medic was tortured to death?

............... No, no, I don't really want to know more, honest.........

But I can't help but think of that comic with the "kiddie-cqc" thing and how funny it was and suddenly know this and it's like "holy fuck that's messed up".

>>17292868
Zero became a tyrant and as already mentioned a raging misanthropist, the AI wasn't evil, only inhuman.

He made the AI's and funded the production of Metal Gear. He was the worst of them all, his creations would have ended all life on Earth.

>>17292940
you best be joking nigger

funny how he was modeled off Will Smith and I've never once seen a Bel Air of him on /v/

>>17292934

SIGINT IS THE DARPA CHIEF SHITHEAD

>>17292934
Happened in MGS1. Sigint = DARPA Chief.

He was tortured to give out the info on metal gear REXs code,and then I think ocelot accidently killed him in torture from what I remember.
ALSO,psycho mantis CANT READ A NIGGAS MIND.

i liked paramedic. :(
so what if she tortured gray fox or whatever? ocelot tortured a lot of people, and /v/'s still gay for him.

>>17292987
No. She was killed by Frank Jaeger. Ocelot and EVA conspired with Naomi for Gray Fox to kill her.

>>17292934
Someone didn't pay much attention to MGS.

>>17292987
Para-Medic was just sliced in half by Gray Fox. Sigint was tortured to death by Ocelot.

>>17292718

>>17293072
>"accidentally"

Stress the quotation marks.

>>17293112
we don't know if he sliced her up, I doubt they kept the sword right there in the lab and if I remember correctly the sword was stolen from a museum obviously after he broke loose

>>17293072
At the end of MGS1 Ocelot said he did it on purpose and made it look like an accident.

Ocelot had a flashback to all the times Sigint got to hang out with Big Boss and flipped the fuck out.

>>17292868
>>17292940
Notice how these Patriot sympathizers don't try to defend Sigint.

It makes me sad to think of all the support cast from MGS3 killing each other.

BTW, fuck EVA. She's just as much a bad guy as Ocelot when it all comes down to it.

>>17293138
Then he ripped her beating heart out with his bare hands, you just made her suffer even more, thanks.

>>17293126
Should read "You're pretty bonk."

>>17292987

No, I imagine her death was quick.

She was the Dr. Clark that turned Grey Fox into the Cyborg Ninja. Grey Fox killed her on his way out as he was escaping.

>>17293138
I'm pretty sure that Gray Fox blew her up. Didn't they say Dr. Clark died in an explosion?

>>17293179
Ocelot and EVA were pretty much supposed to be on the same team, sort of, I think. I mean, Ocelot was Adam, after all. Adam, Eve, etc. And the agent that was originally supposed to be there with EVA was named ADAM, right?

But I'm getting shit confused in my head, I may be wrong.

Para-medic was just trying to help the world with her medical advancements. Zero was trying to create unity and keep order in the world. Sigint just wanted to make a reason why people would never want to wage war, he wanted the ultimate peacekeeper.

Be friends with a Britfag who loves James Bond and he turns into a 007 villain himself
Be friends with a nigger during an era when it was OK to beat the shit out of them in public and he invents batshit crazy AIs that enslave you after you're supposed to be dead
Be friends with a woman instead of telling her to go back to the kitchen and she fucking clones you without your permission and mutilates the guy who was like a son to you

Goddamn Patriot faggots

>>17293243
Shit lot of good that did.

Short-sighted nigger.

"his mental shielding is too strong"

I have more respect for sigint than ever.

>>17293072
you shut your whore mouth about the best boss ever created

>>17293179
What? How was she bad? Eva was the only one that seemed to be fashioning herself after the Boss.

>>17293243

THIS IS WHAT PATRIOTFAGS ACTUALLY BELIEVE

>>17292868

The debate between Big Boss and Zero is the conflict between freedom through anarchy or order through facism and complete control. Though Liquid and Solidus tried to break from the control of the Patriots, the notion that the Patriots were even "evil" was only technically established in MGS4 with the system going haywire and causing the war-economy.

In MGS1 and MGS2 through the "LAWL BAD GUY ALL ALONG ENDING" it's questionable whether or not you did the right or wrong thing to stop Liquid or Solidus from breaking free from the Patriots. In essence, Liquid wanted to achieve Big Boss's dream while Solidus just wanted freedom, which essentially would cause anarchy indirectly.

The concept of good vs evil is only purely established in MGS4 with the haywire Patriots. The other games do a pretty good job of making you consider what is really "right".

>>17293179
Ocelot was the fucking hero of the story next to Big Boss himself
everyone else is bustas

>>17293261
None of that would have happened if Big Boss had just given them all sweet hot dickings.

>>17293261
And the only friends he keeps are a couple of dumbasses he ditched right away:

The Russian kid who wants his dick, and the blond bitch who won't leave him alone because she had his clone kids.

>>17293199

>>17293232
Didn't they say Dr. Clark was a "he"?

>>17293112
I WANT to see this happen.
Grey Fox needs more attention.

>>17293277
nanomachines

>>17293314
Yeah, I raged when you had to kill Solidus. Raiden is truly a puppet.

>>17293232
>>17293346
Both yes. Though, apparently, Dr. Clark being a man was a translation error, not a retcon.

RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGHT

>>17293243
So did you miss the part where Zero started tripping balls and became power hungry. Then turned emo when Big Boss wanted no more of his shit.

It was never about wanting to do good. It was about fucking up the ideals of a woman who should have never died in the first place.

>>17293346
It's explained that Naomi never technically met Para-Medic, so she just assumed Dr. Clark was a man. I think.

>>17293314
Give me a break, anyone could see Solidus was the goddamn hero, you KNEW killing him was a big mistake from the beginning.

YO YOU'RE SNAKE ARNT YOU?

>>17293346
It was a translation error. In the Japanese version, Dr Clark was never given a gender. When they translated the game for everyone else, the translators made an assumption that Dr Clark was male.

>>17293343
I love you.

>>17293452
Is that a peace symbol around his neck, or an arrow pointing to where the bullet should enter?

I never really thought of Ocelot as a "bad guy." Sure, he was on the opposite side but he was really more of a rival to Snake than an enemy. Ocelot revered Big Boss so Snake was just another person to try to best.

>>17292934

>>17292934
>FUCK I DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO GET A PSP FOR THIS SHIT. I'M MISSING IMPORTANT STORY SHIT.
He gets killed in MGS1 idiot.

Why the fuck didn't I get a Patriot invite? I-I didn't want to be a part of your shitty organization anyway.

>>17293405
also Zero set up the whole thing to assassinate The Boss in the first place so he could just use her name and ideals as a springboard for his own world conquering schemes

>>17293179

I actually think its kinda funny, you'd never think while playing three that these guys would be at each others throats.

But then again I didn't think The Boss was anything special either, so what do I know.

I knew she was a big deal for Big Boss, but I never would have guessed that she inspired Zero and the others as well.

>>17293508
That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

>>17293404
If you knew basic Japanese you'd see how wrong you are.

>>17293461
You know that kinda burns me. You KNOW that Kojima doesn't plan his stories out. When he came up with Dr. Clark, Big Boss' story wasn't even a thought in his mind.

I can see him planning MGS4 and then being all "OH I KNOW, THE PATRIOTS WERE REALLY THE GUYS FROM MGS3!"

>>17293387
Solidus is right there in the Top3 with Ocelot and BB.
-President
-Best suit
-Made Raiden awesome
-Liked Shota
-Took Snake to the face
-Raped RAYs casualy
-Survived all the way to MGS4 (fuck you Vamp)

although he did have the worst team. Dead Cell = Fail without Old Boy.

>>17293493

>>17293493
well EXCUUUUUUUUUUUUUUSE ME colonel

>>17293493
Sorry, Campbell. They only wanted your computerized voice and face so they could fuck with Raiden.

>>17293387
Solidus is right there in the Top3 with Ocelot and BB.
-President
-Best suit
-Made Raiden awesome
-Liked Shota
-Took Snake to the face
-Raped RAYs casualy
-Survived all the way to MGS4 (fuck you Vamp)

although he did have the worst team. Dead Cell = Fail without Old Boy.

>Neither was paramedic
Frank Jaeger sure loved to be revived from death and toyed on.

>>17293534
leave it to Kojima

Watch Portable Ops 2 come out. It will be so damn awkward.

Solidus was great, I loved how he threw that line about killing Raiden's parents right at the end, what a fucking marvelous man.

>>17293424
In the Japanese Dr.Clark in the genderless way so the translators just asumed it was a guy.

>>17293543
>You KNOW that Kojima doesn't plan his stories out
I already know that, but the fact is that in the Japanese version there is no gender error. It wasn't Kojima's fault that the translators thought Dr.Clark was a he.

>>17293584
Is my memory poor or did Snake PUNCH FRANK TO DEATH?
Seriously. PUNCH. FRANK JAEGER. TO DEATH.

>>17293640
actually MGS5 supposedly will have this stuff

>>17293581

Loghaire Thunderstone (Arcanum), Canderous Ordo (KOTOR 1 and 2), and Solidus Snake are all voiced by the same guy.

So. Fucking. Weird.

>>17293543
>You KNOW that Kojima doesn't plan his stories out.
Actually I don't know that, because I lack your ability to read Kojima's mind.

I was actually wondering why Kojima made MGS3 seemingly unrelated to the first two games, so when he tied them altogether in MGS4 it made a lot of sense to me. It's certainly likely that he had it planned out all along.

>>17293698
>actually MGS5 supposedly will have this stuff
MGS5 will blow without Kojima.

>>17293694

Close. He punched him into a land mine.

>>17293727
>MGS5 will be amazing without Kojima.

fixed

>>17293694
no frank got curb stomped by metal gear rex

>>17293714
Metal Gear Solid 3 was supposed to be the last Metal Gear Game.
It was supposed to be on the PS3.
It was going to be the last Metal Gear game Kojima was working on.

MGS4 is just a cash cow tactic that ties up all the loose ends nicely, and the Metal Gear Database seals it.

There is a reason Snake took a beating in MGS4.

MGS5 is bound to be a big let down no matter what. I mean, what can possibly happen now? Somebody taking over the Patriots system would just be lame. Snake appearing would be insulting after what happened to him in MGS4. Meryl and Raiden have pretty much wrapped up their stories. I suppose you could do a Big Boss story. Maybe one that involves him vs. Zero, and we can really see what exactly drove everyone to killing each other.

>>17293760
...

>>17293493
You save a guy from malaria and work closely with him to save the world and 30 years later he's in charge of the operation to fucking kill you and smash your dream to pieces, using her own clone as a pawn no less
Fuck off Roy you ungrateful shit

>>17293792
then suddenly, the cobras in WW2 are the main act

>>17293138
The "stealing it from a museum" or whatever came from that shitty official MGS strategy guide. It's full of bullshit the editors made up. None of that stuff is mentioned in any other sources, half of it contradicts the other half, and almost all of it is contradicted by what really happens in the games. Gray Fox's sword is officially an HF Blade, and you aren't going to find one of those in a history museum.

Para-Medic (Dr. Clark) was killed in a "lab explosion", though it's revealed that Fox killed her, and MGS4 reveals that EVA and Ocelot conspired with Naomi to make it happen. They never explain exactly what went down, though.

Sigint (Donal Anderson) was "accidentally" killed by Ocelot at the beginning of MGS to keep him from talking.

>>17293404
In the Japanese version, Dr. Clark is referred to without any gender identifying pronouns. Quite common in Japanese, and it often causes translation errors. Same thing happened with Justice in the first Guilty Gear.

>>17293800
It was Big Boss's own choice, he made the decision to turn his back on Roy and he paid the price. You don't fuck with Roy Campbell, Liquid/Ocelot learned that the hard way.

>>17293792
I want a game about nothing but Ocelot. That's it. Ocelot is clearly identified as the hero after MGS4, so he deserves his own story.

>>17293891
Campbell was the winner in the end, I guess. All of the Patriots died. He became a part of the UN or some shit.

The "lab explosion" was the story the government made to cover up the murder, it's unlikely that she died in any sort of explosion. I think it was a slow, painful death.

I don't see how you faggots can kill big boss, solidus, and ocelot; and STILL throw around words like "good" and "evil". dense fucks.

There needs to be a game centering around Ocelot's exploits at Grozny Grad.

>>17293963
The "lab explosion" isn't even canon, even as a cover story.
She was killed by Grey Fox.

Why did Ocelot and Snake have to fight?

>>17293908
Ocelot could be in a spin-off first shooter where the only weapon available is a Single-Action Army and bullet-time.

>>17293975
All it means is that WE we're the evil ones.

>>17293993
Liquid's ghost was still in control of Ocelot's body. Liquid just wants to beat his brother to death. He doesn't need a reason.

>>17293993
We've been over that too many times.

Ocelot still thought he was Liquid, and Liquid still had a score to settle with Snake.

Snake literally beat the Ocelot out of him, and he died doing his hand gesture.

>>17294046
>>17294050
But I thought Ocelot was only faking it?

Ocelot wasn't the hero. All he did was fight for Big Boss. Even Big Boss admits that his was wasn't right in the end.

>>17293993
Because beating someone is the only way Ocelot can get a sexual thrill/erection.

Fuck this thread is worse mindfuck than MGS2's first playthrough without any prior expectations of it as a game or any knowledge of the series prior to playing it.

I CAN'T TELL WHAT'S REAL AND WHAT'S JUST PATRIOT LIIIIIIIIIIES

>>17294072
>But I thought Ocelot was only faking it?
He was, but at the end of MGS4, Big Boss says just how much he was faking it.

He forced himself to think he was Ocelot with the use of drugs, therapy, and nanomachines (lol)

>>17294074
WHAT A THRILL.....

Why do you think Sigint and Para-medic have so little protection? They're masters of their domain, you'd think they'd have some security measures in place, like a squad of super guardians or something.

>>17294072
Where are you getting your information?

>>17294120
And for what?

>>17294073
for two guys who weren't right they still did a good job of saving the world in the end

>>17292584
>>So what did my nigga Sigint do that was so terrible that he needed to be tortured to death?

Metal Gear Sigint.

>>17293908
Srsly. That doppleganger shit pissed me off.

>>17293792
Prequels and Interquels. Game about The Boss. Another game about Big Boss (set between MPO and MG1). Game about Gray Fox (Operation Intrude N312). Games about Liquid Snake or Solidus Snake. Game about Raiden set between MGS2 and MGS4.

Plenty of possibilities.

>>17294169
fool the AI
he was still lucid but he had to apparently keep the act up very thoroughly

What was the point of Ocelot pretending to be possessed by Liquid?
In what way did it fool the Patriots?

>>17294174
Only because Sunny intervened. Ocelot wanted everything to go, including all the stuff Sunny somehow saved from destruction.

>So what did my nigga Sigint do that was so terrible that he needed to be tortured to death?

Well, Ocelot just plain didn't like him.

>>17294164
Oh wow, the Sorrow is a prick.

>>17294215
All I hear is that he had to "fool the AI" but why?
What was the point of making the AI think he was Liquid?
This never gets answered for some reason.

>>17294192
I will only play as Solidus if I can use a fancy pipe to detect lasers.

Also, there should be no game about The Boss. Do you really want to see the hardest motherfucker on the planet flail around like a jackass, because you can't hit the buttons in the right order?

>>17294251
So the AI would leave him alone and not realize he was trying to destroy the Patriots.

>>17294227
It hid his true intentions and plans. While the AIs were focused on combatting Liquid's armed insurection, they had no idea that Ocelot was really just using them to bring Big Boss back to life.

>>17294164
What the fuck is going on? Ashley Wood is a terrible artist. I don't understand this.

>Thread

THE PATRIOTS WERE ALL BUSTAS

>>17294227
He wasn't pretending at first. He really was possessed. Then he just kept it up so that the Patriots wouldn't consider him a problem.

>>17294192
and now consider that each of those games would probably have yet another pointless batch of villains ala the BBs

>>17294270
>>17294278
...ok
Still seems kinda shoddy though.

>>17294280
10/10 would rage again

>>17294280
It's just me telling my son how worthless he is for allowing a psychopath to take over his body.

>>17294075
Okay, I'll just sum it up.
The Patriots: Big Boss, EVA, Ocelot, Para-Medic, Sigint, Zero
Zero becomes power hungry. Big Boss becomes his puppet. Big Boss gets pissed and leaves. Zero has Para-Medic make some more Big Bosses (Solid, Liquid, and Solidus) so he can continue to have a Big Boss puppet. Ocelot is pretty much a spy inside the Patriots for Big Boss ever since this point, even going to far as to act like Liquid so he wouldn't tip off the Patriots AI. During this time he and EVA work together with Naomi to bring down the Patriots. They kill Sigint (DARPA Chief) and Para-Medic (who got killed by Gray Fox, which she was also responsible for). Snake meets EVA in Europe, she dies because of FOXDIE and fucking standing in a fire for no reason because of a body she knew was not Big Boss'. Ocelot gets the Liquid knocked out of him by Snake, hand gestures, and dies of FOXDIE. Big Boss appears right before Snake is going to kill himself and explains the story of the Patriots to him. He also kills Zero (over 100 years old at this point) by turning off his oxygen tank. Then Big Boss talks about how maybe they were both wrong, salutes the Boss' grave, then dies of FOXDIE.

>>17292718
I agree

>>17294046
1964 - Ocelot
2001 - Ocelot and Liquid
200whatever(MGS2) - Actual Liquid Ocelot
2014 - Ocelot thinking his Liquid
end of MGS4 - Ocelot again.

The only real possessed Ocelot was in MGS2.

>>17294243
Liquid is also a prick, but he does it so smugly.

Sorrow is genuinely disappointed in his son.. Ocelot is the son of The Boss and he's being controlled by some britfag with daddy issues.

>>17294319
huh??? I'm not a troll. I don't fucking understand the picture... from what I can see...
Liquid is on the torture device from MGS1 (???)
Ocelot is there, too...?
Then they talk about The Sorrow being both of their father... (?????!)

Huh?
I'd appreciate the next page or at least previous one.

DIS-GUSTING

>>17294301
Not to mention how fucking easy they were.

>>17294339
FOXDIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>17294339
......... Huh.

Well, now.

>>17294372
>>2001 - Ocelot and Liquid
>>200whatever(MGS2) - Actual Liquid Ocelot

>>17294316
So you didn't rike it?

I'm going to enjoy beating the shit out of everyone of them in the afterlife.

>>17294372
1964 - Ocelot
2005 - Ocelot and Liquid
2005 (?) - 2009(MGS2) - Actual Liquid Ocelot
2014 - Ocelot thinking his Liquid
end of MGS4 - Ocelot again.

The only real possessed Ocelot was in MGS2.
oh hai i fixed your post you dumbfuck

>>17294215
So the AI can read people's minds but it doesn't think anything of the fact that Rose gave birth less than 9 months after her "miscarriage".

And why would the AI care if Ocelot was against them as a traitor or as Liquid? an enemy is an enemy.

face it, the plot was patchy as shit.

>>17294154
SIGINT was kidnapped by Genome and Ocelot. I'm yet to see a place ocelot can't go. Including god damn ARSENAL GEAR FULL OF TENGUS.

Para-medic was raped by Grey Fox. You saw him go WRYY in MGS1. He did that. Exept agains a single short woman. While PISSED.
No amount of soldiers is going you save you from that. I mean c'mon, Ninja chopped up GENOMES like paper. FUCKING GENOMES.

>>17294339
>>17294385
I thought it was funny that they started killing like everyone off in 4 with foxdie. They even went as far as to bring people back to life for about 10 minutes just to kill them with foxdie.

>>17294476
Perhaps because the AI never quite figures out he's a traitor. It really does make one wonder when Zero started letting the computer start going, but we know Ocelot was a Patriots spy in MGS. You'd think Zero would be a bit puzzled by Sigint and Para-Medic suddenly biting the dust.

can someone explain to me why the liquid/ocelot possession was not fake in mgs2 like it was in mgs4?

>>17294470
2007 was the Tanker incident, 2009 was Big Shell.

>>17294301
You mean just like how every single Metal Gear game ever made has had a rogues gallery of mercenaries, soldiers, and terrorists with odd powers and strange backstories? Because, yeah, that's a trend I see continuing.

>>17294567
nanomachines

>>17294476
ROSE DIDN'T HAVE A MISCARRIAGE AND OCELOT WAS PART OF THE FUCKING PATRIOTS.

>>17294567
Look. Psycho Mantis can read minds? Liquid can control Ocelot because of an arm.

But then Ocelot cut off said arm and replaced it with a robot arm.

>>17294567
mgs2: I GOT LIQUID'S ARM GRAFTED ONTO ME STUB

BETWEEN MGS2 AND MGS4: OH SHIT, THIS SHIT JUST GOT REAL. LET'S GET RID OF IT. LET'S REPLACE IT WITH THIS SUPER ARM. FUCK, NOW GOTTA KEEP UP THE ACT. OH I GOT IT! HYPNO TIME!

MGS4: BROOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOTHERRRR!

GODDAMN IMAGINE FOX JUST POUNDING ON PARA-MEDIC'S HEAD LIKE THE MOTHERFUCKING FIST OF THE NORTH STAR
HOLY FUCK HER SKULL MUST'VE COME APART LIKE A MELON HITTING THE PAVEMENT

>>17294577
Yes but the B&B's had fucking NOTHING to do with the story aside from being hired to kill Snake. Even fucking Deadcell had a background that tied in with the story of the game. Not to mention the boss fights weren't easy enough for a 3 year old to beat.

>>17294599
lol, no.

Ocelot has his daddy's powers to channel the dead. Liquid, being the asshole he is, found a way to exploit that and completely poltergeist Ocelot's ass.

>>17294567
Dumb plot twist followed by an attempt to fix said plot twist but resulting in an even worse plot twist.

>>17294647
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>>17294697
My post wasn't a serious suggestion, I was making fun of how everything is NANOMACHINES in MGS4.

>>17294680
So the fact that all of them were warped because of war-related atrocities had nothing to do with a game who's entire back story is pretty much "War is bad", "The war economy is fucking up the world", etc etc etc.

>>17294680
They did so much that they were part of 4 PMCs that Ocelot controlled. So, I mean, there's that.

And they were all being controlled by Psycho Mantis for some reason.

>>17294678
...*sob*

>>17293150

>>17294332
>>17294164
/r/ sauce on mgs comics

>>17294779
Seeing Ocelot use this kind of torture. Brings a tear to my eye.

>>17294828
KUWABARA KUWABARA, am i right?

>>17294737
>>17294741
Either way it's kinda pretty real gay. Overall I really just preferred the first two games to the second two (not including the NES or PSP games.) MGS4 wasn't even really a stealth game, there were fucking vehicle chases ffs.

this is >>17294567

>>17294697
were there any official sources saying that ocelot was being taken over by liquid's arm because of being the sorrow's son?

if i recall, after mgs3 came out and we discover that ocelot is the son of the sorrow, everyone looked back on 2 and went 'oh that must be why he has the connection to liquid's ghost' ...but i don't ever remember this being actually confirmed anywhere. i thought it was safe to assume that, after mgs4, its determined that the WHOLE possession thing was faked

>>17294858
There is always a chase. But, MGS4 had two, and one it didn't matter, because all the enemy soldiers were going to die anyway.

>>17294828
Really? Cause it just makes me want to masturbate.

>>17294878
In the database it says the arm controlled Ocelot, then he had it replaced.

>>17294878
haven't played 4 yet (though I've had it for a week already) but in 2 Ocelot sounds exactly like Liquid when he gets possessed. That kinda hard to fake.

>>17294563
The AI should react to traitor Ocelot the same way it reacts to Liquid Ocelot. An enemy is an enemy. Every time I bring this up people just say "he did it to fool the AIs"

the AIs don't give a shit who is trying to fuck them up or what state of mind they're in, the system will retaliate all the same. All Ocelot did was make it harder for his goal of destroying the Patriots harder for his allies to achieve.

>>17294963
ah ok, that clears that up i guess

i dont actually own the game so i never got a chance to really check out the database

>>17294994
While I'm with you, I wonder what pretending to be Liquid would achieve, even if it is futile and personally think he was processed. I wonder what the canonical reasoning was.

>>17294994

It wasn't just the AI, it was Snake. Snake wouldn't handle things the same if he knew it was just Ocelot.

>>17293792
What I think might happen in MGS5 is Otacon goes batshit insane because everyone he's ever loved dies, designs a new Metal Gear in order to shape the world in his image.

All the Liquid Ocelot crap aside, Sunny has to be the most Deus Ex Machina thing ever.
I get that Emma might have been able to smash GW, but SUNNY?
FUCK.

>>17295074
Just like my Japanese Animays!

>>17295061
He probably would have handled things better without a million badguys trying to kill him.

Snake and Otacon were already trying to stop the patriots. They didn't need any more incentive.

>>17295074
I think this is plausible.

>>17295086
Should have been Otacon

>>17295074
Sup Ryan.

>>17295074

>>17295092
WOULD YOU JUST SHUT UP AND TELL ME ABOUT METAL GEAR!?

>>17295074
Fuck that. MGS5 will be all about Mrs. and Mr. Silverburg.

>>17295103
oh man i just had this awesome image of mgs4 being snake and ocelot working together to fight the patriots

thought youd pretty much have to scrap the current story for this to happen

The plot of MGS5 will be as following:

Otacon creates a time machine, shit happens, and he ends up fucking young!Ocelot. The end.

>>17295155
what the FUCK LOL

>>17295155
hahaha oh wow

>>17295210
what an amazing storyline

fund it

>>17295155
bwahahaha! That reminds me though... how the fuck was he completely "rebuilt" like a normal person at the end of 4?

>>17295210
>Otacon
>fucking young!Ocelot

Ugh, disgusting.

>>17295264
haha oh wow
in before nanomachines

>>17295103

Just like how they did a fine job stopping The Patriots in the Tanker Incident? Despite what Snake and Ocelot believed, they were still pawns of The Patriots.

Yes the AI would treat an enemy as an enemy, but Snake wasn't an enemy, thus he could easily penetrate and destroy the AI. The problem was that Snake was thoroughly convinced Ocelot was no good. Ocelot openly being chummy-chummy to Snake wouldn't work, as Snake wouldn't believe him (they tried to kill each other, and neither left on good terms in any of the games), and The Patriots would totally seal all personnel vulnerabilities, forcing Ocelot to actually resort to a total nuclear war.

>>17295264
Troll.

>>17295264
he didn't need to fight anymore so they gave him a lifelike fleshy robot body instead of a super metal robot body

pretty easy to figure out

>>17295264
must have kept his body in storage. Good not to throw stuff like that out ya know.

>>17295280
=/

I like how Human Raiden looks like a Square Enix villain.

>>17295155
Fuck yeah Policenauts

>>17295367

Haha, damn..
I did like how they modeled his face in MGS4 though.

if mgs5 ever comes around, my money is on it being between 2 and 4 while playing as raiden

what with raiden being oh so cool now after 4 plus the relative lack of info on that span of time (oh solidus is dead now ill just rescue sunny from the patriots and btw i got tortured or whatever and am now a head with machine parts like robocop), it seems like the next logical step

Reason's why Johnny in MGS4 shouldn't be the Johnny from MGS1

1. I killed that fucker when I snapped his neck when he came into my prison cell in MGS1.

2. The Johnny from MGS1 didn't love Meryl when he first laid eyes on her. That's bullshit. When choosing sides, he chose to be with the terrorists... against Meryl. He was a cowardly badguy, not a hero worthy of fighting alongside Snake, much less stealing his woman.

3. On a related note, that whole shitting his pants bit was really unnecessary. How does Kojima pull something ridiculous like that and then expect us to take this guy seriously in the latter part of the game?

>>17295509
Was I the only one that didn't mind playing as him in 2? FFS Snake was even still in the game. On a side note, does anyone have a picture of Snake wearing the "infinite ammo" glasses?

>>17295530
BECAUSE HE'S ONE HANDSOME LOOKING MOTHERFUCKER

>>17295530
>1. I killed that fucker when I snapped his neck when he came into my prison cell in MGS1

The same thing happened with Raikov. I killed him in MGS3, but in Portable Ops he's alive and well in prison. Handsome prince my ass, he should have been dead!

>>17295530
He was in MGS2 and his grandfather (I think) was in MGS3.

>>17295074
Otacon WIRES HIMSELF into a Metal Gear.
Think Neon Genesis Evangelion, where you play the Angels and there are no EVAs.

>>17295680
yeah there was a definitely a johnny on the way in MGS: 3.

that's good because i fucking raped his neck with a fork when i left that jail cell, for the lulz

>>17295298
goddamn, it wasn't a real body it was just his robot body upgraded with lifelike texture ;_: This should be obvious from the fucking seams that indicate where the parts were connected.

If you're going to complain about plot holes in MGS4, there are plenty of legit ones to choose from.